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Vassal Zeren
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Posted - 2012.08.23 02:49:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:I want to not wear heels and being forced into them is not cool regardless of how you decide I should feel about it.
It's nice that you feal strongly about women's rights, but i suggest you take care at whom you aim your charged remarked at. For example, there are some major weirdos here but Nikk for one is hilarious! Theres a difference betwean genuine intolerance and just poking fun. Nikk is doing the latter.
Besides in the scheme of things is it important that the women in CCP's game wear heals? I noticed it too and though about it for 10 seconds, but there comes a point where you should just pick your battles, and this isnt really an important one. Thats just what some of thease punks are trying to say but they cant because articulation isnt there strong suit so they add lots of derogitory, inflamitory responses. In short your time is valuble and should not be wasted with forum posts like the one im posting. |

Vassal Zeren
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Posted - 2012.08.23 15:56:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:Could people stop attempting to derail my thread with dumb strawman arguments please thanks. If you have a genuine issue make another thread about it. What's a strawman argument? I've looked it up but still don't get the context you're using.
A strawman argument is taking someone elses argument and twisting what they said into a weaker, less informative, and generally stupid statment. Then the "strawman argument" is destroyed. (hence it being made of straw) A person who creates strawman arguments, is responding not to the original statment, but to their own deliberatly misinterperted and weakened argument. |

Vassal Zeren
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Posted - 2012.08.24 14:38:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:@Vassal Zeren - Thanks for the explanation
np
thanks for the thank you! |

Vassal Zeren
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Posted - 2012.08.24 14:41:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:Mary Annabelle wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:It's not important to me therefore It can be important to anyone else! Good argument. No. I did not say it was lacking importance to you. You are free to care about anything, regardless of it's significance. But before you expect ANY of us to share your view, you do need to convince us. I would hardly expect devs to be easier to sway than your fellow players. For the reasons I stated before, you have not made your case to me. Considering the plain nature of the logic here, I don't see or expect anyone else to seriously agree with you either. It put's off new female players Not really. A little annoying, but so is (or are...) the Prequel Trilogy. I still watched them... and enjoyed bits and pieces.
you've got to wonder if Lucas really made them...I guess no one said "no" to him at the studio so he put in all the random stuff he wanted. |

Vassal Zeren
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Posted - 2012.08.24 17:05:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Vassal Zeren wrote:Tchulen wrote:@Vassal Zeren - Thanks for the explanation
np thanks for the thank you! Thank you for the general air of polite discourse, rather than the hostile smelling Vestiphobia. (Vestiphobia is the fear of clothing, shoes in this case) A pity, she seems a lovely being otherwise...
I can understand where she's coming from though. There is a lot of stereotypical stuff flying around and I suppose CCP doing it too doesn't help. But yeah I think if everyone would take a more relaxed approach in discussions like this there would be room for joking and serious debate alike. As is, everyone on the forums seems a little uptight. |

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Posted - 2012.08.24 17:30:00 -
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Mary Annabelle wrote:Vassal Zeren wrote:I can understand where she's coming from though. There is a lot of stereotypical stuff flying around and I suppose CCP doing it too doesn't help. But yeah I think if everyone would take a more relaxed approach in discussions like this there would be room for joking and serious debate alike. As is, everyone on the forums seems a little uptight. Stereotypes are defined by their context to society. If you remove them from their context in that society, they cease to have meaning. CCP has not defined high heels as being sexist in this game. The presumption that this social context in our reality also exists inside the game goes too far. You may as well say I pilot a raven in real life. Simply ridiculous to consider, although I might get through traffic faster... This is a game. While I might sympathize with someone else's real life associations to things, they should not be my burden or problem. It would be more appropriate for her to leave her real life baggage at the door, and focus on playing EVE instead.
This is the kind of edgy post i was talking about. This woman is simply stating her concern about the fact that all women in the game must wear high healed shoes and you are talking as if her opinion has no merit or consequence. I'm not saying you cant voice your opinions as well (and in any case i obviously cant stop you) I'm just pointing out that there is too much condescension on the eve forums, and if people would show more respect to each other and bicker less maybe the Devs would listen more. |

Vassal Zeren
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Posted - 2012.08.24 18:58:00 -
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Mary Annabelle wrote:Vassal Zeren wrote:This is the kind of edgy post i was talking about. This woman is simply stating her concern about the fact that all women in the game must wear high healed shoes and you are talking as if her opinion has no merit or consequence. I'm not saying you cant voice your opinions as well (and in any case i obviously cant stop you) I'm just pointing out that there is too much condescension on the eve forums, and if people would show more respect to each other and bicker less maybe the Devs would listen more. Not being edgy here, just blunt and to the point. I am specifically avoiding making any assumptions, to be fair to her. She is acting as if our character pictures mean something in the game, so far as what shoes we are wearing. She is defining the shoes themselves as a type of label that demeans women. I respect that in real life she has the right to stand up for herself, and socially reject standards for footwear that she finds offend her. This is a game. For all you know, I have clown shoes on in my picture. Unless you make a female character, you probably have no idea what shoes we wear, or what other options we have. That is my point. I can't see the shoes having any affect, but I am willing to let her attempt to make her case, and listen when she does. Why do I bother, you might ask? She is only going on about shoes demeaning her... right? Because frivolous content can be as demeaning as shoes, and I want her to look good. For that, I need to feel like I can stand behind her on this. Which means this has to make sense to me first.
Thank you for the clarification. I get your point and I take back what i said about the edgy. |

Vassal Zeren
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Posted - 2012.08.24 20:11:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:I know I am wearing the high heels , what other people know about my character isn't really important, I would have the same complaint if this was a single player game.
During character select I was forced to choose high heels , and that pissed me off. The fact that it's a game doesn't really mean much . If someone made a video game about being a paedophile it would still be offensive even if the entire game took place in an imaginary universe where paedophilia was standard.
Yes but high heals arnt exactly on par for atrocity with pedophilia. |

Vassal Zeren
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Posted - 2012.08.24 21:19:00 -
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Mary Annabelle wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:I know I am wearing the high heels , what other people know about my character isn't really important, I would have the same complaint if this was a single player game.
During character select I was forced to choose high heels , and that pissed me off. The fact that it's a game doesn't really mean much . If someone made a video game about being a paedophile it would still be offensive even if the entire game took place in an imaginary universe where paedophilia was standard. Now I understand, thank you for explaining. I support your logic. There is no reason for you to be pushed into any one single mold by anyone, and EVE is supposed to be a sandbox. That being said, I doubt they will bother changing what to them possibly seems like a trivial detail at this stage. If they should follow through and let us walk in stations, etc, that may change. It then becomes significant how we are seen, because we will be seen at that point. I have no interest in being judged on details unrelated to my piloting ability. +1
NICE communication! GO team! |
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